ANWR – The Real Story

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10 Responses to “ANWR – The Real Story”


  1. 1 John in the Middle July 2, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    My son’s godfather, a conservative petroleum engineer in Dallas, saw that email going around and told me that the real story of ANWR is that it won’t make any difference.

    We can drill it without harming anything, but there is only enough oil there to create jobs for Alaskans, but not enough to effect a change in the price per barrel. When the wells come on line, sometime around 2020, he predicts that you could see a savings of 50 cents a barrel.

    For instance, Prudhoe Bay had little effect on our energy independence. It didn’t affect the $40 per bbl prices in the 80’s or the $15 per bbl in the nineties. Peak North Slope production was 2 MMBOPD (that’s 2 million bbls of oil per day, petroleum engineers like to be different). Unfortunately, it was at a time when oil was practically free. 2 MMBOPD is significant since we only use about 20 million a day. It was a 20 year flash in the pan, though.

    Saudis promised to increase production by 750 MBOPD recently and the price went up! If you want to start looking for a lying liberal, you need look no further than the White House where the spend-but-don’t-tax, huge-government party has squandered billions of dollars. And still, no drilling off conservative coasts of California and Florida?

  2. 2 Tregonsee July 2, 2008 at 11:27 pm

    Notice that the pictures taken by the Phoenix Mars Lander closely resemble the real ANWAR drilling area, except that in ANWAR there is no question that there is ice to be found.

    And for those with a Sewanee connection, the area of the Quad is almost exactly the same percentage of the classic Domain as the 2000 acres of proposed drilling is to the entire ANWAR reservation.

  3. 3 John Delmore July 3, 2008 at 2:47 am

    Also, the much ballyhooed “2000 acres, one-fifth the size of Dulles” would not be contiguous, but would be spread all over the plain. Not saying we should or shouldn’t do it, but that argument, in particular, is yet another ‘half-or-less-truth’ from the right…

  4. 4 Ed McNeill July 3, 2008 at 4:55 am

    Hey, John in the Middle,

    What do you have against Alaskan Jobs and a little more oil? Just east of ANWR is lots of Canadian Oil that is pumped to the USA at about $140 a barrel. If you want to see what this could mean for Alaska, look at Alberta, CA. It is not insignificant.

    Beyond that, why is it ok for Oil Companies to drill a few miles east in Canada but not in an area of Alaska you and 99% of Americans will never visit not have any real desire to visit?

    I’m not really picking on you John, so rest easy. I’m picking on patriotic sentimentality that makes one piece of tundra exploitable and another sacrosanct. Frankly I wonder if there isn’t some sort of national transference going on…”if we keep Alaska pure it makes up for all the pollution we do at home” and whistle Dixie.

  5. 5 John in the Middle July 3, 2008 at 7:32 am

    Ed McNeill,

    I say drill it and provide the jobs, here in Louisiana we drill safely in residential neighborhoods after all with a rule that rigs be 500 ft. away from homes. Just don’t lie to me and tell me that ANWR will make one whit of difference in the price of oil, or that the reason we aren’t drilling it is because of democratic lies.

    Dems aren’t the reason that gas is high.

  6. 6 R. Scott Purdy July 3, 2008 at 5:36 pm

    Ah yes, the dispositive unequivocal which relies on a host of unspoken assumptions. It is the bread and butter of political argument.

    To wit, “Just don’t lie to me and tell me that ANWR will make one whit of difference in the price of oil….”

    What unspoken assumption of time frame underlies this statement?
    — If drilling commenced today (a logistical impossibility) will ANWR production alter oil prices in the next 12 months? No – it wouldn’t.
    — If approval is granted, a reasonable level of reserves proven up and developed, and the delivery infrastructure installed, will production from ANWR have an impact on oil prices at that time? Yes, although the level of impact would depend on a host of factors, about which there are a wide range of assumptions.

    There are lots of prospects for hydrocarbon production in areas deemed off-limits to exploration and production. Marginal production is one influential factor (among many) in energy prices.

    Each time we declare a prospect off-limits we reduce the volumes which could potentially be produced at the margin.

    What fries me is the propensity to take this relatively complex set of influences on energy prices (complex enough for many people to spend careers studying the issues) and distill them down into unexplained and ultimately deceptive sound bites. What is even worse is that many decisions impacting public policy are influenced by these sound-bites.

    John in the Middle – this is not intended as a personal attack. You just happened to be the unfortunate one who stumbled into my hot zone unaware.

  7. 7 John in the Middle July 3, 2008 at 8:06 pm

    I don’t take it as an attack, I’m saying drill ANWR! I’m sitting on top of the fourth largest deposit of natural gas in the world and they’re drilling all around me.

    http://shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080703/NEWS01/807030324&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL

    The email that is going around and published here is one of those political hack pieces and it’s full of bull.

    Contrary to the anonymous assertions of the email quoted in the link above, ANWR won’t make any difference in the price of oil, and the Dems aren’t the reason that the price of oil is high.

  8. 8 John Delmore July 4, 2008 at 12:51 am

    Amazing, isn’t it, that seven years after electing oil-guys to the White House who set “our” energy policy in secret with Heaven-only-knows who, we’re paying $4/gallon for gas as the oil companies reap profits unheard of in history…

    Makes ya wonder who them guys are workin’ for, huh?

  9. 9 John in the Middle July 4, 2008 at 1:35 am

    Right you are John Delmore, if you read the post, the anonymous author would have us believe that inspite of the Oil Barons in the White House, the Dems have managed to raise the price of gasoline to >$4.00/gallon.

    Classic Karl Rove stuff that.

  10. 10 www.noveltysoundbytes.com May 7, 2013 at 10:37 am

    I like reading an article that can make men and women think.
    Also, thanks for allowing me to comment!


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