Comments for Drell's Descants http://descant.wordpress.com A Christian, Anglican, Lawyer, Father and Prison Minister, On Church and Life Thu, 24 Jul 2008 02:11:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU Comment on I’m Proud To Be An Episcopalian…In The Anglican World by dl http://descant.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/im-proud-to-be-an-episcopalian/#comment-2102 dl Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:40:36 +0000 http://descant.wordpress.com/?p=712#comment-2102 Brendan, Of course. But they don't need these extracurricular reasons to be named infidels. Brendan,
Of course. But they don’t need these extracurricular reasons to be named infidels.

]]> Comment on I’m Proud To Be An Episcopalian…In The Anglican World by Brendan http://descant.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/im-proud-to-be-an-episcopalian/#comment-2101 Brendan Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:24:54 +0000 http://descant.wordpress.com/?p=712#comment-2101 Full disclosure: I'm not an Episcopalian but, in the words of Bill Clinton, I feel your pain. While I don't disagree with anything the gentleman said -- and his humility was extraordinary -- wouldn't the Sudanese Muslims be trying to kill and/or convert Christians regardless of what the Anglican church said or believed? Full disclosure: I’m not an Episcopalian but, in the words of Bill Clinton, I feel your pain.

While I don’t disagree with anything the gentleman said — and his humility was extraordinary — wouldn’t the Sudanese Muslims be trying to kill and/or convert Christians regardless of what the Anglican church said or believed?

]]> Comment on I’m Proud To Be An Episcopalian…In The Anglican World by Alice C. Linsley http://descant.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/im-proud-to-be-an-episcopalian/#comment-2100 Alice C. Linsley Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:54:44 +0000 http://descant.wordpress.com/?p=712#comment-2100 The Archbishop of Sudan speaks truth and truth always convicts us of our sin. He spoke to the press room, since the Anglican Communion News Bureau refused to schedule him. Cherie Wetzel reports that some of the reporters there who support TEC were laughing at him. I was also moved by Cardinal Ivan Dias' remarks to Lambeth. His diagnosis of Anglicanism is perfect. Read it here: http://college-ethics.blogspot.com/2008/07/anglicans-suffer-from-spiritual.html The Archbishop of Sudan speaks truth and truth always convicts us of our sin. He spoke to the press room, since the Anglican Communion News Bureau refused to schedule him. Cherie Wetzel reports that some of the reporters there who support TEC were laughing at him.

I was also moved by Cardinal Ivan Dias’ remarks to Lambeth. His diagnosis of Anglicanism is perfect. Read it here:

http://college-ethics.blogspot.com/2008/07/anglicans-suffer-from-spiritual.html

]]> Comment on I’m Proud To Be An Episcopalian…In The Anglican World by Brad Drell - TEC have lost any moral authority they had http://descant.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/im-proud-to-be-an-episcopalian/#comment-2099 Brad Drell - TEC have lost any moral authority they had Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:48:47 +0000 http://descant.wordpress.com/?p=712#comment-2099 [...] Read it all here [...] [...] Read it all here [...]

]]> Comment on I’m Proud To Be An Episcopalian…In The Anglican World by Ed McNeill http://descant.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/im-proud-to-be-an-episcopalian/#comment-2098 Ed McNeill Wed, 23 Jul 2008 03:42:51 +0000 http://descant.wordpress.com/?p=712#comment-2098 Amen! Amen!

]]> Comment on I’m Proud To Be An Episcopalian…In The Anglican World by dl http://descant.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/im-proud-to-be-an-episcopalian/#comment-2097 dl Wed, 23 Jul 2008 02:10:35 +0000 http://descant.wordpress.com/?p=712#comment-2097 Brad, Amen and thank you. I too am convicted by the Holy Spirit through this. I'm reminded of the message following the first Plano Conference, that our church got to this place because we all, especially we orthodox, have failed God. We all need to heed this call for repentance. Brad,
Amen and thank you. I too am convicted by the Holy Spirit through this. I’m reminded of the message following the first Plano Conference, that our church got to this place because we all, especially we orthodox, have failed God. We all need to heed this call for repentance.

]]> Comment on Drell’s Commentary On Day 2 Of The Conference by Michael http://descant.wordpress.com/2008/07/22/drells-commentary-on-day-2-of-the-conference/#comment-2093 Michael Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:10:38 +0000 http://descant.wordpress.com/?p=704#comment-2093 Given my experience at General Convention 2006, the sense of frustration and (yes, I'll say it) boredom that seem to be coming through the communications from Lambeth surprize me not in the slightest. In Columbus, we sat around for days, listening to inane speakers talk about inane matters all the while being promised that the important issue facing the Church - THE WINDSOR REPORT - would get the attention and debate it deserved. After more than a week of stalling, our answer to Windsor was made through a hamstrung floor debate, a totally improper incursion by the newly elected PB into the affairs of the HOD and a last minute, cobbled together attempt to save ECUSA's bacon that coincidentally denied that we did anything wrong. I predict that the same strategy is probably in the offing at Lambeth. Keep everybody talking about the adiaphora and hold off on the important questions until everyone is either tired or fed up or both. Hopefully with the leadership of wise and Godly men like Bishop MacPherson, the path forward will be somewhat less overgrown and easier to discern. Until that time, I am going to put my faith in God and in my Bishop. Given my experience at General Convention 2006, the sense of frustration and (yes, I’ll say it) boredom that seem to be coming through the communications from Lambeth surprize me not in the slightest. In Columbus, we sat around for days, listening to inane speakers talk about inane matters all the while being promised that the important issue facing the Church - THE WINDSOR REPORT - would get the attention and debate it deserved. After more than a week of stalling, our answer to Windsor was made through a hamstrung floor debate, a totally improper incursion by the newly elected PB into the affairs of the HOD and a last minute, cobbled together attempt to save ECUSA’s bacon that coincidentally denied that we did anything wrong.

I predict that the same strategy is probably in the offing at Lambeth. Keep everybody talking about the adiaphora and hold off on the important questions until everyone is either tired or fed up or both. Hopefully with the leadership of wise and Godly men like Bishop MacPherson, the path forward will be somewhat less overgrown and easier to discern. Until that time, I am going to put my faith in God and in my Bishop.

]]> Comment on Quotable Quote For The Day by Aunt B http://descant.wordpress.com/2008/07/22/quotable-quote-for-the-day/#comment-2092 Aunt B Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:01:22 +0000 http://descant.wordpress.com/?p=708#comment-2092 I haven’t felt normal about the church since the first Trial Liturgy came on the scene. To some, among us, that, alone, has me “stuck on stupid.” So be it. I haven’t felt normal about the church since the first Trial Liturgy came on the scene. To some, among us, that, alone, has me “stuck on stupid.” So be it.

]]> Comment on Drell’s Commentary On Day 2 Of The Conference by pendennis88 http://descant.wordpress.com/2008/07/22/drells-commentary-on-day-2-of-the-conference/#comment-2091 pendennis88 Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:28:56 +0000 http://descant.wordpress.com/?p=704#comment-2091 I really don't understand the cost thing. First, I realize that we're talking 600 bishops and their spouses for two weeks, but 8.8 million USD still seems an excessive cost. And I don't understand how 200 bishops of the global south paying their 7k USD would make more than a dent. That is only $1.4M, against a deficit of $4M, and surely had they attended it would have increased some costs over what they are already. Even then, this deficit would hardly be a burden to Trinity Church Wall Street, and I believe there is also a rather large trust fund in Utah. I can think of worse things those trustees could spend the money on, and I'm sure they have some in mind. Though at least in the past, Trinity Wall Street was not the easy mark that some in 815 would have liked. Of course, the type of old Wall Street Episcopalian who kept an eye on those things isn't much in evidence any more. I really don’t understand the cost thing. First, I realize that we’re talking 600 bishops and their spouses for two weeks, but 8.8 million USD still seems an excessive cost. And I don’t understand how 200 bishops of the global south paying their 7k USD would make more than a dent. That is only $1.4M, against a deficit of $4M, and surely had they attended it would have increased some costs over what they are already. Even then, this deficit would hardly be a burden to Trinity Church Wall Street, and I believe there is also a rather large trust fund in Utah. I can think of worse things those trustees could spend the money on, and I’m sure they have some in mind. Though at least in the past, Trinity Wall Street was not the easy mark that some in 815 would have liked. Of course, the type of old Wall Street Episcopalian who kept an eye on those things isn’t much in evidence any more.

]]> Comment on Drell’s Commentary On Day 2 Of The Conference by Joe Roberts http://descant.wordpress.com/2008/07/22/drells-commentary-on-day-2-of-the-conference/#comment-2090 Joe Roberts Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:04:42 +0000 http://descant.wordpress.com/?p=704#comment-2090 Brad, +Bruce is certainly in my prayers, and I'll echo your call for prayers when next I post at my blog. By the way, I'll bet our esteemed PB is pretty toasted right now as all of the elaborate efforts to highlight the poor and mistreated "Simple Country Bishop" seem to be getting a less than a stellar reception. Could it even be possible that some of the moderates in TEC's HoB are even getting a bit tired of this circus? I sense that many in the Communion outside the "liberal western provinces" certainly are. We can hope and take comfort in the knowledge that through God, all things are possible! God's peace to you. Joe Brad,

+Bruce is certainly in my prayers, and I’ll echo your call for prayers when next I post at my blog.

By the way, I’ll bet our esteemed PB is pretty toasted right now as all of the elaborate efforts to highlight the poor and mistreated “Simple Country Bishop” seem to be getting a less than a stellar reception. Could it even be possible that some of the moderates in TEC’s HoB are even getting a bit tired of this circus? I sense that many in the Communion outside the “liberal western provinces” certainly are. We can hope and take comfort in the knowledge that through God, all things are possible!

God’s peace to you.

Joe

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