Archive for October 11th, 2008

Interview With Canon Gregory Cameron, Deputy Secretary Of The Anglican Consultative Council

Of course, I was extremely nice and cordial and didn’t openly disagree with him in the interview.  However, he seriously underestimates TEC’s ability to say they believe in the creeds and the “truth” when in fact they don’t.  It remains of critical importance to the inside strategy to show otherwise – we have to keep pounding the message.

I have decided that indecisiveness is an Anglican genetic trait.  Canon Cameron confirms that.

In any event, below is a link to another Windows media file from my handy dandy digital voice recorder which gave us the audio coverage for the convention.  For the next Diocesan convention I plan on moving on to video, but I think I will need an assistant.

What is important to note is that Sarah Hey is correct – this is the responsible guy.  Windsor Report, Panel of Reference, Covenant Design Group, you name it.  He is the secretary for all these things, and says so in the interview.  Moreover, I would note that his vision for the Anglican Communion is part of his same view as ecumenism, meaning that while ties in the Anglican Communion among its member churches ought to be stronger than among Christian churches in general, he has a strong view of Provincial autonomy as being Anglican.  God is using the current controversies for multiple purposes, and one of those, I honestly believe, is to forge a world-wide united Anglican church, rather than a loose confederation of churches.  The Anglican Communion coming of age, so to speak.  I cannot believe that the Holy Spirit would lead us to less unity in Anglicanism, as with God, there is always more.  I think Canon Cameron would agree with me that the convergence of churches is the work of the Holy Spirit, as he says so in the interview, but I don’t think he sees the immediate need for the same.  While the church has been in disarray for the last 2000 years (history bears this out), I think that is largely due to the works of man, not the Spirit.  We need to strive for unity, if for no other reason than Jesus Christ prayed for the same on the night before he died.

In any event, the interview is certainly informative about this process under which we’ve been engaging since GC2003.  This is the guy involved in trying to resolve the aftermath.  I hope my readers will listen to this and his remarks to the convention and comment on the same.

Interview with Gregory Cameron

Results of Resolutions and Other Convention Business

Resolution 1:  Lay: 33 yes 91 no.  Clergy:  12 yes, 36 no.  Failed.

Resolution 2:  Lay 104 yes 16 no.  Clergy 36 yes, 13 no.  Passed.

Resolution 3:  Lay 104 yes, 16 no.  Clergy 35 yes, 11 no.  Passed.

Resolution 4:  Lay 91 yes, 29 no.  Clergy 27 yes, 18 no.  Passed.

I’m personally glad 4 passed.

Constitution and Canons – no report.  Praise God.

Courtesy resolutions.  I am not going to blog these.  We love the bishop day celebrated in Western Louisiana.

Talked to Cameron; he will give me an interview after the convention is over.

Resolutions Now Being Debated; Rule Changes

Committee prepared to move on resolutions.

First resolution being read.

Baldwin for Holy Cross speaking against.  He’s questioning sanity of being senior warden without a rector.  Has serious concerns about resolution and all the resolutions.  Yesterday, picked them up – surely there would be a resolution on war, poverty, disease, hunger, devastation – surely these are Christian people.  But there wasn’t a one.  Four resolutions about one issue that Jesus Christ never addressed-human sexuality.  Not an issue Christians should allow to divide this church.  Ruse going on because people are objecting to procedural issues -but the Emperor has no clothes.  Civil rights struggle when people said it was not about race it was about state’s rights.  Finds suggestion of new province offensive.

Request for vote by written ballot and by orders.  Can’t even agree on that?  Ten on orders, so it is by order.  Paper ballots carry.

Mitzi George speaking against.  The resolution is dangerously close to moving us out of TEC.  We haven’t adopted the GAFCON statement.  Bishop encouraging us to work toward reconciliation.  We have continually expressed our desire to do the real work of ministry (so let’s ignore sexuality).  Very concerend; GAFCON not sanctioned by AC.  Primate’s statement stated there is no pastoral forum; but +Bruce is working on that.  We shouldn’t continue the unravelling of this church.

Peter Cook speaking for.  Questions whether we are discussing the resolution his church proposed.  Purpose to express full agreement is only the part quoted, not the entire statement – being convinced that faithful Anglicans in North America need their own province recognized by the AC AS A WHOLE.  Statement does not comment on process of HOB, but addresses substance of Duncan’s deposition.  TEC motivated by acceptance of non-scriptural teachings.  Makes this statement with clarity.  It is now impossible to believe exhortations of Lambeth will be headed, therefore need a separate province.  That’s reality – that’s the direction the church is headed.

Hershel Richard speaking against.  His view, after hearing Peter at resolutions committee, this solution is outside TEC; Bruce’s is inside; resolution is inconsistent with Communion Partners.

+Bruce is speaking to the resolution.  Concern with those finding a place in a separate province, but there isn’t one yet, and we don’t know what that will look like.  We need to continue to work from where we are, for to do otherwise there is no where we can go with any clear direction.

Debate over.  Vote being taken.

Continue reading ‘Resolutions Now Being Debated; Rule Changes’

Canon Cameron Speaks

Audio is here.

Made joke about Rasputin.

Taking about our convention theme, and how thought ought to be how the Anglican Communion ought to be.  Holy Partners in a heavenly calling…”  Proclaim the Gospel of forgiveness and love.  Heavenly calling into communion and fellowship with God and one another.  Anglican Communion’s name expresses profound theological truth.  We are bound into fellowship in the Body of Christ.  Walls of hostility have been broken down; you that were far off are brought near.  Once you were people, now you are God’s people.

High calling of Anglicans – living in deep fellowship catagorized by love – by this all men will know you are my disciples.

Communion not be undervalued to neglected or thrown away lightly or inadvisedly.  Sense of sorrow about the life of our Communion – not always characterized by love.  Bruce’s account of some aspects of life in the Communion is dismaying – power, vendetta, rivalry instead of love.  Bruce is right to call us back.

Reconciliation.

Compliments Diocese of Western Louisiana on faithfulness and love.  Believes in the Communion – when he can travel 4000 miles and find brothers and sisters in Christ who are partners with me – same faith; same proclamation.  Mentions other friends of his around the world.  Wants people to be blessed by Communion fellowship.

Likes our work – Hardtner, servant center, etc.  Living out the heavenly calling.  Also wants to celebrate our loyalty.  Not just +Bruce, but the folks in the hall – go the extra mile with the national church, the Windsor Report, seeking richer fellowship in the AC with Communion Partners.

There is no easy answer to current situation in the Communion.  Very tempting to think, oh, if we could just solve this tomorrow.  Some see division between revisionist leadership in TEC with rest of the communion, but this is wrong.  Intensity and division over current issues are very deep and wide.  Can name 15 provinces of the 38 where the issues of human sexuality are deeply controversial and divisive.  Not just an Anglican problem, but of all Christianity, including the Syrian Orthodox rep to Lambeth stating that these are questions we all have to address.

Lutheran World Federation having the same problem.  If he had shut his eyes and blocked out the names, it could have been a Primates Meeting.

Issue of discernment about the truth of the Gospel for all faithful Christians.  Doesn’t believe in easy solutions.  Other part of the motto – we are called to be holy partners.  Word “Holy” is of profound significance.  To call us Holy Partners is to remind us that we find our holiness only in the redemptive work of Jesus Christ; Communion only has value if we gather in community as those who have been redeemed in the Lord.  Revelation – who are these coming to the throne, who have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the lamb.

Have to walk with the commandments, in grace.

Setting vocation for us all in the AC – Holy Partners.  Called to be redeemed and people who seek God’s holiness.  It is about content of faith and processes.  Sad truth – looking at AC, people don’t see redeemed community, but a divided and argumentative community.  What are we to do?

His mother in law is a marriage counselor.  Couples always face difficult times – pinches – things are tough – have an argument.  Danger is to ignore the pinch and sweep it under the carpet.  Sooner or later, then you get to a crunch.  If you can’t deal with the pinches, the crunches make for deep trouble.  AC heading for a crunch.  His mother in law’s advice?  Renogiatate your expectation – why are you in the marriage in the first place, and what are the legitimate expectations?  That is fundamentally the model for the proposed Anglican covenant.  Attempt to take 38 provinces, sit them down, and ask what fundamentally are you about, do you believe, are you called to be.

1920 Lambeth wrote about the AC – The churches of the AC are indeed independent churches.  But, they are independent in a way that recognized Christian freedom with the restraints of truth and love.  Not free to ignore truth or fellowship.

Fundamental points of truth and fellowship must be set forth in the covenant.  Development of covenant started with 2004 Windsor Report.  Word chosen as it is rather circular.  Couldn’t use “Constitution” or “Common Declaration”, whereas covenant is dynamic.  It is about relationships that grow, change, are on the move.

Churches in movement together – travelling together.  Covenant is the model of God’s dealing with us.  “I will be your God, you will be my people.”  Design group wanted fairly short document that would state the fundamentals – truths we hold and commitements required to go forward.  Very quick to draft the first draft – presented to Primates in 2006.  Discussed in a period of a year.  Group  then presented a revised version – three sections – section I about the faith, section II about mission, and section III about fellowship.  Sent to Provinces for formal discussion and response.  3 questions:

1.  Is your Province willing to give an in principle commitment to a covenant?

2.  What changes are needed to the St. Andrew’s draft to get a reasonable chance for you province to sign up to it?

3.  What does your Province need to do to commit?

Results to had by March 9.  Third text to be presented to ACC next May.  It is possible that if there is enought of a postive reponse, ACC may be able to say this it, this is the text we will use to decide if we will be committed to the AC.  ABC wants finished text be a rather stronger text even if it means some Provinces can’t sign rather than a weaker meaningless text.  We are close to the end of the process.  No more questions; ACC will be providing answer?

Who can sign the covenant?  Lambeth conference discussed the issue.  Discussed St. Andrew’s draft and notes were sent to Singaport to design group.  Lambeth commentary on covenent to be published next week.  When the bishops did their work, there was no challenge to section I about faith, and virtually no challenge on section II on common mission.  St. Andrew’s draft likely to receive ACC approval.  Section III requires commitement and is problematic.  One or more provinces will be unable to make a commitment to be bound in mutual responsibility.

What is meant by churches of Anglican Communion?  Local or particular church – family of congregations gathered around their bishop.  Each diocese is a complete church.  National or regional churches is next.  AC bound together by catechism, canon law, worship, etc.  Covenant can be signed by national or regional church, or by diocesan church.

He prays for covenant – not for being bound by legalism, but thinks AC needs to be clear about expectations.  Asked if he thinks AC will survive?  Maybe God is finished with the AC.  But he doesn’t believe so.  Doesn’t think God is ready to give up on us yet.  Points to motto of Scottish Episcopal Church – profoundly true about the AC and what is offer to humanity and to the world – “Evangelical Faith and Apostolic Order”.  Those are the two things as fundamental to our life as a Communion of Churches.  We must pray for these things in order to revive our life and be faithful to our inheritance and to God.  If we do this, we will answer what +Bruce has invited us to do – to learn how AC can become holy partners in a heavenly calling.

Audio From the Bishop’s Address To Convention

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A Word From the Resolutions Committee

All resolutions presented will be brought to the floor without recommendation either way.  There are going to be some clergy who are going to complain about the “last minute” resolutions (even though they follow the rules) since they aren’t given time (???) to study the same.  I would note that not too many of them showed up for the resolutions committee, which, while early, is available to all before they go into executive session to vote.  In any event, we’ll see what happens this afternoon.

Bishop’s Convention Address – 29th Convention of the Diocese of Western Louisiana

I’m recording it so hopefully we’ll have audio later in addition to the liveblog.

Bishop telling a joke, I think.  Bruce goes to see the doctor, never had anything like this before in his life; doctor says “Welcome to Louisiana”.  Bruce has a sinus problem.  So do we all.

Gathering together as Holy Partners in A Heavenly Calling – from Hebrews.  Consider Jesus, the high priest of our confession; just as Moses was faithful in God’s house, Jesus is worthy of more glory.  Jesus is the builder of all things in God.  For we have become partners in Christ if only we hold firm to the end.

Reflecting on life in the church at present; drawn to this passage in Hebrews.  What are we to be about?  This passage weighing upon Bruce’s heart; the writer is reminding them of who they are and who Christ is.  Set apart for God in an exclusive sense.  Responsibility and accountability to this heavenly calling from God himself.

Jesus said – you did not choose me, I chose you, that you should go and bear fruit.

Regardless of what goes on in the church, our faith must rest in God.  Personal relationship with Christ Jesus on invitation from God himself – life redeemed for his people.  Resurrection people – we are reminded of this in the church’s one foundation being Jesus Christ our Lord.  Last six years have not been easy – two General Convention and five hurricanes.  Joke – things were much better in Western Louisiana before Bruce arrived.

To begin – a lot of wonderful thing happening in this Diocese, but also difficult times due to issues beyond our control – GC, TEC leadership.  I wrestled with where to begin.  This address will end on good news.

Past five years, more TEC problems – aggressive actions by bishops and national leadership.  Some in Diocese feel we should walk away from TEC; others want to support the Windsor Process.  Those that disagree with Bruce no matter what he does.  Some have left our Diocese.  But, Bruce’s positions have not changed over the last five years, nor since the GC’s.  Pursuit of faithful proclamation of the Gospel.  Posture the same on issues before us.  Commitment to leading Diocese to faithful proclamation of the Gospel.  Resolutions declararing Windsor Compliance; work of reconciliation – working toward the Anglican Covenant.  At present, Covenent will come forth in May, 2009; wants Dioceses to have option to opt in when Province hasn’t or won’t.  Important to many; as stated by Bruce in Tanzania – we share the deep concern that TEC will walk apart; want Windsor Dioceses to be a part of the AC and in communion with Canterbury. Continue reading ‘Bishop’s Convention Address – 29th Convention of the Diocese of Western Louisiana’

Notes From Resolutions Committee Meeting This Morning

The discussion of resolution #1 was contentious due to its call for a new province to replace TEC.  Some said this flew in the face of the Diocesan reconciliation efforts, the Communion Partners initiative, and made gay and lesbian members of our congregations feel bad and unwanted.  Frankly, I think these folks are reading way too much into resolution #1.  Additionally, some still have the pollyannish view that GC2009 will adopt the Anglican Covenant, when in fact it will either reject it outright or kick the ball down the road.

Resolution #2 and #3 did not have contentious discussion.

Resolution #4 had some discussion regarding the procedural irregularities of the recent House of Bishops depositions.

I am betting that all resolutions will make it to the floor, with all being recommended to pass except #1.

Convention Resolutions – Now Numbered And Slightly Edited

Resolution #1:

Whereas The Episcopal Church continues to deepen divisions in Anglican Communion by the taking of unilateral action heedles of the exhortations of The Archbishop of Canterbury or the other instruments of Communion;

Be it resolved that the Diocese of Western Louisiana fully agrees with the Statement of the Primates’ Council of GAFCON on the alleged disposition of the Bishop of Pittsburgh last month by the House of Bishops:

“It is now impossible to believe that the exhortations of the Lambeth Conference and the Windsor Consultation Group will be heeded…We remain convinced that the faithful Anglicans of North America need to have their own Province recognized by the Communion as a whole.”

Resolution #2:

WHEREAS The Diocesan Convention of 2006 passed a resolution that the Diocese of Western Louisiana become a Windsor Compliant diocese, and

WHEREAS the Bishop of the Diocese remains an active supporter of the principles outlined in the Windsor Report of 2004 and of the work of the Windsor Continuation Group as presented to and accepted by the Lambeth Conference of 2008, and

WHEREAS the adoption of an Anglican covenant represents the next step in the Windsor Process and the Diocese of Western Louisiana supports as part of a covenant an opportunity for individual Windsor compliant dioceses to seek recognition as Covenant partners,

BE IT RESOLVED that the Diocese of Western Louisiana, meeting in convention this 11th day of October, 2008, fully reaffirms its commitment to the Windsor principles, included in principle, the adoption of an Anglican Covenant, in order to preserve and ensure our relationship wihin the Anglican Communion and with the historic See of Canterbury.

Resolution 3:

WHEREAS, the Bishop of Western Louisiana, D. Bruce MacPherson, has demonstrated leadership and initiative by helping to forge the Communion Partners as a relational fellowship to further the continuing Windsor process of preserving communion with the historic See of Canterbury, outlined as follows:

Communion Partners is intended to:  provide for those concerned a visible link to the Anglican Communion.  Many within our dioceses and congregations in other dioceses seek to be assured of their connection to the Anglican Communion.  Traditionally, this has been understood in terms of bishop-to-bishop relationships.  Communion Partners fleshes out this connection in a significant and symbolic way, provides fellowship, support, and a forum for mutual concerns between bishops.  The Communion Partner bishops share many concerns about the Anglican Communion and its future and look to work together according to the principles outlined in the Windsor Report and seek a comprehensive Anglican Covenant at the Lambeth Conference and beyond.  Scope:  Communion Partners is a relational fellowship, is committed to honoring diocesan boundaries, will be governed by mutual respect, and will proceed by invitation and cooperation.

BE IT RESOLVED that the Diocese of Western Louisiana, meeting in convention this 11th day of October, 2008, affirms its full support for the Communion Partners initiative as outlined above.

Resolution 4:

Whereas both the Standing Committee and Diocesan Council of The Diocese of Western Louisiana unanimously passed a resolution rejected the deposition of Bishops Schofield and Cox,

And Whereas the House of Bishops of The Episcopal Church has again not followed canon law in the deposition of Bishop Robert Duncan of the Diocese of Pittsburgh,

Be it resolved that this 29th Convention of the Diocese of Western Louisiana concurs with the resolutions passed by the Standing Committee and the Diocesan Council rejecting the depositions of Bishops Schofield and Cox and,

Be it further resolved that this 29th Convention of the Diocese of Western Louisiana rejects the unlawful deposition of Bishop Duncan of Pittsburgh and calls upon all in authority in the Church to follow the Constitution and Canons in decision making.



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